Update Buffy St Marie My Counry Tis of Thy People You’re Dying

 

The link I gave in June is no longer good.

Here is one good today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKKX-H3NMNI

 

 

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SANDSTONE In Memoriam

John Williamson, Co-Founder of the Sandstone Retreat, Dies at 80

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A trampoline on the property.

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Published: May 4, 2013
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John and Barbara Williamson always insisted that Sandstone Retreat was about more than sex. By all means, help yourselves to each other, they would say. But the goal was larger than spouse-swapping or fulfilling forbidden lust.

Photographs, via Sandstone Foundation

John and Barbara Williamson founded Sandstone Retreat on 15 acres near Los Angeles. The goal, they said, was to understand society, and set it free.

Photographs, via Sandstone Foundation

Barbara Williamson

They said that their 15 unconventionally inhabited acres in the Topanga Canyon area near Los Angeles, formally known as the Sandstone Foundation for Community Systems Research, was about understanding society — and setting it free.

“We believe in the sexual self as being at the core of organized social behavior,” Mr. Williamson told The Los Angeles Times in 1972, three years after Sandstone was formed. “When sexuality is distorted, it leads to a distortion of the basic self.”

Mr. Williamson, whose death on March 24 in Reno, Nev., was not widely reported, had spent most of the last two decades running a nonprofit sanctuary for tigers and other big cats rescued from neglect or abandonment. Mr. Williamson was 80, more than four decades removed from his bold moment at the forefront of the sexual revolution.

At the peak of its popularity, Sandstone had a handful of couples who were full-time residents and about 500 paying members ($240 to join, then $15 per month), with a wide range of prominent names among them, including Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, and the singer Bobby Darin. But it was a journalist who put it on the cultural map.

“He walked in the building and said, ‘I’m Gay Talese, I’m a writer from New York, and I’m here to write a book about you,’ ” Marty Zitter, one of Sandstone’s earliest residents, said in an interview on Tuesday, recalling the day Mr. Talese arrived in 1971. “I said, ‘Take a number.’ ”

The book, “Thy Neighbor’s Wife,” an examination of America’s changing sexual culture, became a best seller when it was published in 1980. By then — Mr. Talese spent nine years researching and writing, including considerable time experiencing Sandstone in the flesh — the retreat had closed, in part because of financial problems, and the Williamsons had re-entered the clothed confines of mainstream society.

“We merged back into the culture that we disliked so much,” Mrs. Williamson said in an interview on Tuesday.

John Decatur Williamson was born on July 31, 1932, near Mobile, Ala. He grew up poor, joined the Navy at 17 and was soon traveling the world, spending time in California and the South Pacific. He learned electrical engineering in the service and in the late 1950s worked on the Polaris missile project in Cape Canaveral, Fla.

He returned to California and, in 1966, met Barbara Cramer, an insurance saleswoman who was making her pitch to the electronics firm he was managing.

They soon found that they shared an interest in psychology, including studies by Abraham Maslow that emphasized the possibility of achieving “self-actualization” through the sequential fulfillment of basic needs. Five weeks later, they married while double-parked outside a chapel in Las Vegas.

They had immediately known that they were meant for each other, Mrs. Williamson said, and for others. “We just knew that a traditional heterosexual marriage could not last, because two people could not give each other everything they need,” she said. “So we built a bigger marriage.”

They built it at Sandstone. Upstairs, people would lounge and talk — some naked, some not — in a room with gold-colored shag carpet, a huge fireplace and vast views of the canyon. Downstairs was known as the Ballroom.

“It was like the Algonquin,” Mr. Zitter said of the upper floor. “Then people would go downstairs and have sex, and then they’d come back up and talk some more.”

“Some people,” he added, “wanted to have sex right there in the conversation.”

Mr. Talese listened and watched and participated.

“Like the founding fathers of other utopian settlements in the past, he was unhappy with the world around him,” he wrote of Mr. Williamson. “He regarded contemporary life in America as destructive to the spirit, organized religion as a celestial swindle, the federal government as cumbersome and avaricious; he saw the average wage earner, who was excessively taxed and easily replaced, as existing only with detached participation in a computerized society.”

Mr. Talese sold film rights for his book for $2.5 million, a startling amount, and though it was never made into a movie, the Williamsons and another couple received payments of $50,000.

In an interview on Thursday, Mr. Talese said one of Mr. Williamson’s central ambitions was for people to be honest about their personal and sexual lives and not be embarrassed about it.

“It wasn’t really about sex, because they got beyond the sex to the stage where they didn’t have to lie about anything,” he said. “If you didn’t have to lie about sex, you almost didn’t have to lie about anything.”

Mr. Williamson died of cancer, Mrs. Williamson said. Other survivors include a daughter from a previous marriage, Sheila Ellington, and a granddaughter. A son from his first marriage died in a drowning accident when he was 5.

The Williamsons had sold Sandstone by early 1973. They tried but failed to raise money to start a much larger “growth center” in Montana that was to include 1,000 residents. Scientists and theologians were to be invited, and everyone would live in geodesic domes linked by enclosed walkways to protect naked residents from the cold.

Mr. Williamson eventually returned to a career in electronics, and Mrs. Williamson to insurance. They lived in the San Francisco area and, Mrs. Williamson said, “had some great parties.” Their open-marriage policy ended in 1995, the year they moved to Nevada to devote themselves to the big cats.

“They just really gave us a lot of satisfaction,” Mrs. Williamson said.

A version of this article appears in print on May 5, 2013, on page A24 of the New York edition with the headline: John Williamson, 80, Co-Founder of Retreat Known for Sex.

John Williamson Dies: Who Is The ‘Messiah Of Sex’? Sexual Revolution Pioneer’s Nude Sandstone Retreat [REPORT]

By Staff Reporter | May 3, 2013 12:34 PM EDT

John Williamson Dies: The

John Williamson Dies: The “Messiah of Sex” co-founded the Sandstone Retreat, a free love getaway in Topanga Canyon. (Photo: Creative Commons)

John Williamson, known as the “Messiah of Sex” for his pioneering role in the sexual revolution, has died of cancer at the age of 80. Williamson passed away on March 24 at a hospital in Reno, Nev., his wife Barbara Williamson said.

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The “sexual pioneer” and his wife were the co-founders of Topanga Canyon’s Sandstone Retreat, a clothing-optional compound where visitors gathered to explore the dimensions of free love.

The couple were newlyweds in 1968 when they purchased a compound of rundown buildings on 15 acres looking over the Pacific Ocean. They turned the property into the Sandstone Foundation for Community Systems Research and quickly became the talk of the town — and a major player in the sexual revolution that exploded in the late 1960s.

John and Barbara Williamson’s Sandstone Retreat was more than just a sex club in the canyon. Sandstone offered seminars on human bonding, relationships and sexuality. But the retreat’s weekend festivities, when up to 500 people would congregate to lounge around naked, trade spouses, and enjoy group sex, made the place quite notorious.

WATCH A VIDEO of the Sandstone Retreat from VH1’s SEX: The Revolution (NSFW)

“We actually had open sexuality and nudity, but it was optional,” Barbara Williamson told the Associated Press. “Everything was optional. We provided a wonderful, wonderful environment in a natural setting, and that natural setting just sort of gave people permission.”

John Williamson, as the spokesperson for Sandstone, became known as the “messiah of sex.” Barbara said he wore the title proudly.

John and Barbara were together for 47 years, during which they experimented widely with their sexuality. The couple exchanged partners and rejected monogamy, believing it was not fulfilling people’s sexual needs and was preventing them from living life to its fullest.

Sandstone Retreat was said to have hosted many celebrities over the years. Barbarah Williamson joked Thursday that she probably “saw more naked Hollywood stars than any other woman.”

For all the joy the Sandstone Retreat brought its visitors — and Barbara Williamson said membership flourished — it never took in enough money to pay the bills. The couple sold the property in 1972, and Sandstone closed a few years later.

John Williamson and Barbara moved to Montana, San Francisco, and finally to Nevada, where they began taking in big cats — lions and tigers, that is — whose owners wanted to get rid of them. At the time of his death, Williamson was trying to turn their property into a wild animal sanctuary and educational center.

Along with Barbara, John is survived by a daughter, Sheila Ellington, and a granddaughter.

See also:

Tom Hatfield – The Sandstone Experience – a totally honest day by day perception of life at Sandstone. Including a barebones awareness of the writer’s own personality and limits.

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL5066717M/Sandstone_experience/borrow

ACCOUNTING

The crazy language of double entry:
‘Increases in assets are debited to asset accounts.
Increases in liabilities & owner’s equity are credited to liability & owner’s equity accounts
INCREASES in ASSETS are DEBITED,
and INCREASES in LIABILITIES are CREDITED.
Beyond me.                                                                                                   Apparently the accounting guild has been forcing students to accept this semantic nonsense for centuries instead of a doing a simple language reform:
[To understand I do not need some deep truth to justify the nonsense, just some clue to the psychology and thinking that led to the odd uses of debit and credit]

“Accountants will debit asset accounts to increase them while crediting liability accounts to increase them the same reason they debit expenses to increase them and also credit revenues to increase them. This is because of the double-entry system. In the equation assets = liability + stockholders’ equity you have to do the opposite to assets than you would liabilities and stockholders’ equity. So, because you debit assets you would do the opposite to the other side to balance the equation and therefore credit stockholders’ equity. So if someone gave the company $10 in exchange for stock, the accountant would debit assets $10 and to balance the equation credit stockholders’ equity.”
“This is because of the double-entry system.” = we do it this way because we do it this way, however disconcerting, – shows how clever we are.

 

After life

All my life I have gone on journeys. When I said goodbye at home, it was always with the hope of something new, and finding strangers who would become friends.
To say “goodbye” without such hope is too bleak to be possible.

Yet the Buddha tells us to say Goodbye.

When I see the lizard dry outside my door I do not think he is on a journey.

Twitter KR March-October 2013

 

Karel Rei

@Bryllars

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  1. @AtheistQ 1939 rev of #FinnegansWake-it is the shape of a superb annihilation– let loose to destroy a not unnecessary part of civilisation ?

  2. @chrislhayes House has no power CONSTITUTIONALLY to bypass democratic power to call a bill to the floor and give all power to the Speaker.

  3. @ChuckGrassley House has no power constitutionally to bypass democratic power to call a bill to the floor and give all power to the Speaker.

  4. @cspanwj REDSTATE TAKERS – UTAH TEXAS NEW MEXICO KENTUCKY ALABAMA ugh !!!!!

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  5. Members of Congress warn about ‘fig leaf’ legislation meant to protect the NSA http://wapo.st/17qRYQX 

  6. @Salon @bspence5 If he does pray for the nation. And its so-called constitution.

  7. The fact that Cruz spoke w 2 Confederate flags flanking him says it all! Why didn’t he tell them to move? .@JamieGolazeski .@BoneDryStix

  8. #Twitter = It’s just a damn stock co now!

  9. On Scott Atran:Is the transcendal a human need or just a child’s cry? Is it possible to answer this, or just hubris? @ARESIMA_Madrid

  10. On Scott Atran:Is the transcendal a human need or just a child’s cry? Is it possible to answer this, or just hubris? #AnthropologyofReligion

  11. @AtheistQ @JasonAntrosio @ScottAtran Is it even possible to answer this, or just hubris?

  12. On reading @ScottAtran: Is the transcendal a human need for absolute guidance or just a child’s cry? Is it even possible to answer this? No.

  13. On reading Scott Atran: Is the transcendal a human need for absolute guidance or just a child’s cry? @AtheistQ @JasonAntrosio

  14. “Perfect love casts out fear.”

  15. @hardball_chris Pogo Albert the Allligator: I ain’t no snob! I’d even mix with a congersman’s aide if… if I thought it’d help! —Walt Kelly

  16. “When words lose their meaning, physical force takes over.” —W. H. Auden http://tpr.ly/dlRF9v 

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  17. Everytime a politician lies it corrupts the spirit of the nation, and leads to govt by force.

  18. @Philly.com re Ads in schools Ads are of course LIES. So what are we then teaching children?

  19. @Adbusters Ads are of course LIES. So what are we then teaching children?

  20. @AARP UHCare LIARS Not Reliable information. No HMO’s mentioned or offered in ads. AARP should be ASHAMED.

  21. The beginning of modern artifice – How can an asset = a liability?

  22. @anamariecox Whereas I just hope I’ll still be able to read.

  23. So nothing. MT @BreakingNews: Boehner offers temporary debt ceiling extension if President Obama negotiates reopening government

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  24. “Yo también creo que no pasará la reforma, el descontento es total, enorme, incluso en el extranjero.” Suzanne des Rozières re Mexico

  25. “Our country is dying because it has lost the SPIRIT that has always carried it forward.” MT Rep Charles Wrangel

  26. @AJEnglish Oh the joy of blowing things up. Do it once Get the thrill Do it again And again. Narcotica Destructiva.

  27. ingested a rare radioactive isotope, polonium 210, from a poisoned teacup in the Pine Bar of the Millennium Hotel in central London. Reality

  28. By 2047, Coldest Years Will Be Warmer Than Hottest in Past http://nyti.ms/1bHBVqi 

  29. Scalia: killing aggregate contribution limits won’t hurt, bc there’s so much $ in politics. BC OF YOU, MOTHERFUCKER!! http://www.scotusblog.com/?p=170224&preview=true …

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  30. “We have elected an ungovernable collection of snake-handlers, Bible-bangers, ignorami, bagmen and outright frauds” Charles Pierce – Esquire

  31. Englert and Higgs were honored for suggesting that AN INVISIBLE OCEAN OF ENERGY is responsible for the mass and diversity of the universe.

  32. To willfully present DEMANDS to the President with threat of default is TREASON – nothing less. Much worse than Snowden or Wikileaks

  33. “The main mineral in your cellphone, coltan [a black metallic ore], comes from the Eastern Congo” Chomsky. (5 million dead)

  34. I mean 1/2 of the population, roughly, thinks the world was created a couple thousand years ago. 2/3 of country expects 2nd coming N Chomsky

  35. “The chances of a great love’s ever happening are miniscule at best.” Allan Gurganus NewYorker

  36. RT @sahilkapur: Boehner says lifting the debt ceiling cleanly is “unconditional surrender” for GOP.

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  37. But just because it’s consistent with our experience doesn’t make it right — @David_Dobbs

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  38. How do we structure school to handle the diversity of behavioral responses being uncovered by scientists? — @David_Dobbs

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  39. @WhitmanArchive also Whitman’s influence on the young James Joyce-title of early ms=”Earth of shine & dark, mottling the tides of the river”

  40. In “Whitman in Russia,” a remarkable article by Stephen Stepanchev, he shares Whitman’s socialist side, one… http://fb.me/11Fd9zJ9H 

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  41. This is fascinating and more plausible than the coin. (Though i still prefer the coin) http://www.businessinsider.com/treasury-could-issue-super-premium-bonds-2013-10 …

  42. From 2001 to 2012, state funding per student in higher education fell from $8,427 to $5,906 in ’12 dollars: Bloomberg http://bloom.bg/1fgjwRU 

  43. I feel like I’m living in 1936.

  44. @jbarro @chrislhayes Another example of Projection rhetoric – put on Barack Obama what you yourself are doing.

  45. He quit his Wall Street job to teach basketball to low-income kids @carolyn_greg http://huff.to/GFAY3y 

  46. The right does not trust @SpeakerBoehner, neither do the moderates. Neither do the Democrats. NOBODY TRUSTS #BOEHNER

  47. “I am finding that the internet is getting useless because there are no browsers that work with flash.”

  48. This #shutdown is the last (?) explosion of American #RACISM which disguises itself like a snake. But just keeps hanging on. EVIL #SLAVERY

  49. @Adobe has had months or more to fix the devastating problems with #ShockwaveFlash AND THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING! WHY? @AdobeCare

  50. @JamesJoyce_OTT Funny. Joyce did all that work to make a Book be like Dublin, and now Dublin does all this work to be like a book.

  51. “When the people make dark the light within them, the world darkens” Wendell Berry

  52. “What’s the right thing to do & go ahead and do it – and take no thought for tomorrow” Wendell Berry

  53. #Wind is a finite resource & harnessing it would slow the winds down which would cause the temperature to go up” Sen Joe Barton #TEXAS !!!

  54. Every evil that a #Republican #politician does he projects onto President #Obama. Mechanical #rhetoric. Tiring

  55. “An older person has a more meaningful set of social relations”

  56. “60 percent of UK plant and animal species have declined in recent decades” Al Jazeera English

  57. “They all have dreams and are sold for a few rupees and their lives are forever plunged into darkness.” http://aje.me/1791Wq4 

  58. Social business or 18th century home production. #socialbusiness

  59. Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei said today that some of President Rouhani’s diplomatic initiative at the UN was “not proper”.

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  60. #Media needs to focus on the #successes and solutions as well as the problems and corruptions. B Team – Huffington

  61. The #shutdown “a large dose of embarrassment”

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The fundamental fact of our existence on earth.

The fundamental fact, younger PEOPLE,                    is that – fast or slow –                                             we all have to say Good Bye.                                              Just not right now please.

Letter to Arnold

Letter to Arnold

I believe at the back of it all we have very different approaches to
the kinds of questions one can ask and the kinds of ways that we know things.
I am not a philosopher, and so am kind of intuitive about what constitutes evidence for me –
Not that i am some kind of mystic or believer in odd things.

For instance you say at the beginning
” The demands of science are fairly straight forward and clear cut: ”
My reaction is, if that were so then why are there so many arguments and books about these things, and why do people disagree so much?
I tend to think a little like, though not so well as, Stephen Toulmin that different sciences have different standards or modes or whatever of what constitutes demonstration.
So I don’t know much about straightforward.

For instance if we take the argument between Richard  Dawkins and Stephen Jay Gould – if I can figure out or remember what it is –
something to do with adaptation –
I don’t see anything clear cut there at all.
If science was clear cut how could they ever get in such a debate,

Then there is the border between your proto-science and science,
very fuzzy to me.
Then there are the so-called human sciences, where ideology and bias seem to come long before the application of any agreed empirical standards.
And where the definition of the problem to be studied turns out to completely influence the resulting concepts.

And as for “facts”                                                                                                  Think of all the scientific “facts” that are no longer actually believed.  And the stubbornness of scientists to give up believing the ‘facts’ and theories they know for  those that will replace them.

If we are going to make distinctions doesn’t the reader need to know why the author wants to worry about these distinctions.
Certainly criteria of science are important in discussions
about irrational beliefs and certain kinds of religion.
But among scientists are these things always helpful.

I think of the video assembled from interviews with Richard Feynman
called, to the point, The Pleasure of Finding Things Out.
He starts from the position he says his father taught him
that the names of things are not the things themselves. This is itself a radical philosophical position, though very useful in doing certain kinds of science. But it shows the “finding things out’ may not be the same as  deciding ‘What is Science”.

So perhaps I am not temperamentally the person to read
your intro constructively. Certainly I am in no position to judge its value.

How could we question the basic empirical requirements
of knowledge in our world, starting with the senses.
And yet science in this sense is such a peculiar and recent
enterprise.   If it was straightforward, why were there so
many milenia of immensely complex explorations conducted
without this sense of the boundaries.

You go to great lengths to give people “free will” in their moral and non-scientific choices. I myself find no need to grant free will in religion or other fantastic choices. I deal with relatively devout Catholics or people in touch with past lives, etc by ignoring these things about them.
Or as a kind of anthropological fieldwork in strange socieities.
I suppose I have an irrational belief in a universe in which
there are worlds with evolution of life in strange forms like us.
And we too shall pass.
So that it is an effort for me to take the other imaginative worlds we build seriously. (Except for music).
But I don’t believe that people have a right to believe crazy things.
How do I know something is crazy. Partly their craziness is unempirical
but partly I just know it is crazy.

This makes me an ignorant unmethodical and as I say unphilosophical
goon.

Karl

FOLLOW UP

Let us say for the purpose of argument that humans have the “free will” to  choose not to love others.

(Lord knows, as others have observed, humans may not “deserve” it)

If we had a small community and one made this decision, the community might well kill you. Can’t we extrapolate this to the long run effects in the community at large.     (In spite of Basar al Assad, Peña Nieto of Mexico, various narco bosses, etc.)         Then we can call these guys slippage in the system.                                                        On the face of it hating mankind in action is not a true CHOICE of free will,                 Ethics has some force. Humans insist on believing this in the face of numerous counter examples, because it is a necessity of human society to believe it.

“A purpose of human life, no matter who is controlling it, is to love whoever is around to be loved.” –Kurt Vonnegut

‘We are all here on earth to help others; what on earth the others are here for, I don’t know'”
English music-hall and radio comedian John Foster Hall (1867-1945), who called himself The Revd. Vivian Foster, the Vicar of Mirth